{"id":11645,"date":"2016-06-14T14:09:05","date_gmt":"2016-06-14T21:09:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/?p=11645"},"modified":"2025-07-30T03:03:52","modified_gmt":"2025-07-30T10:03:52","slug":"80-20-rule-trading","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/80-20-rule-trading\/","title":{"rendered":"How the 80\/20 Rule Can 2X Your Current Trading System"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11651\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Blastoff.jpg\" alt=\"Blastoff\" width=\"900\" height=\"439\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Blastoff.jpg 900w, https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Blastoff-768x375.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><div class=\"post-aff-notice\">When you buy something through one of the links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission.<\/div><\/p>\n<p>We all know <a href=\"https:\/\/www.investopedia.com\/terms\/p\/paretoprinciple.asp\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Pareto principle<\/a> or the <strong>80\/20 rule<\/strong> and how powerful it can be for everything from <a href=\"https:\/\/fourhourworkweek.com\/?s=80%2F20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">time management<\/a> to language learning.<\/p>\n<p>I you have never heard of it before, then it basically says that 80% of your results will come from 20% of your efforts.<\/p>\n<p>Approximately.<\/p>\n<p>But\u00a0does it work in trading?\u00a0You bet it does!<\/p>\n<p><strong>In this post, I'll show you how this simple tweak can help you improve what you are already doing and give you a game plan to figure out if it is the right strategy for you or not.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I will also show you my own results and how to implement this strategy, when it seems like you can't.<\/p>\n<p>Ready? Here we go&#8230;<\/p>\n<h2>How the 80\/20 Can be Used in Trading<\/h2>\n<p>OK, so the first thing we need to do is\u00a0define <strong>where we will be using the 80\/20 rule<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Should we\u00a0cut our screen time to only 20% of our current total? Should we only trade 20% of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/where-did-all-my-currency-pairs-go-how-to-show-all-available-pairs-in-metatrader\/\" data-wpil-monitor-id=\"11\">available currency pairs<\/a>?<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps.<\/p>\n<p><strong>But what I'm talking about is splitting up our trade entry into two parts, with two different profit targets.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The first profit target will be 80% of our total position, while the second part will be 20% of our total position.<\/p>\n<p>Don't think that's possible?<\/p>\n<p>Watch this&#8230;<\/p>\n<h2>A 80\/20 Trading Example<\/h2>\n<p>This example is an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/forex-price-action-guide-to-outside-bars\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Outside<\/a> (or Engulfing) Bar setup on the $GBPAUD.<\/p>\n<p>Here is where the bar printed nicely on a support level. If you want to follow along at home, this the H4 chart on April 20, 2016.<\/p>\n<p>Don't you wish that they were all that sweet? \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>I'm only showing you this ideal entry because it illustrates a good point. In reality, not all trades will work out this well.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/gbpaud-entry.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11649 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/gbpaud-entry.jpg\" alt=\"Outside Bar chart\" width=\"1224\" height=\"513\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/gbpaud-entry.jpg 1224w, https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/gbpaud-entry-768x322.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1224px) 100vw, 1224px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>When you enter the trade, you have several options. Here are some of the common ones:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>1 position, 1 profit target<\/li>\n<li>2 positions (50\/50), 2 profit targets<\/li>\n<li>2 positions (50\/50), 1 profit target, 1 trailing stop<\/li>\n<li>2 positions (80\/20), 1 profit target, 1 trailing stop<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>So which one works best?<\/p>\n<p>Obviously, there are many other variations, but those are the ones that people commonly use.<\/p>\n<p>Here's how they would have performed, risking 2% per trade, on a $1,000 account.<\/p>\n<p><strong>To make the calculations easy, let's say that we are using <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/5-reasons-to-trade-with-forex-nano-lots\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">nano lots<\/a>, so we can get the exact risk that we need. Also, 1 nano lot will be worth $0.001 and the spread\/swap are negligible and there is no slippage.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In real trading, you can use nano lots to get this kind of risk customization, but the pip values will differ by pair and time of day.<\/p>\n<p>The spread\/swap\/slippage will factor into your profit and loss, but if you are using reasonable leverage, it won't be much, if you are trading during active hours.<\/p>\n<h3>Scenario #1: 1 Position, 1 Profit Target<\/h3>\n<p><strong>This is the most basic entry\u00a0and one that you have probably used before.<\/strong> In this example, using a 1R (or 1X the risk) profit target would have resulted in a 2% gain, or $20.<\/p>\n<p>The stop loss was at 143 pips and the take profit was at 143 pips. <strong>So you would have used 140\u00a0nano lots.<\/strong> \u00a0The calculation\u00a0is as follows:<\/p>\n<p><strong>$20 (total risk)<\/strong> = 143 pips (risk) X 140 nano lots X $0.001 (\/nano lot\/pip)<\/p>\n<p>Here's the entry (blue), stop (red) and take profit (green) lines.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11652 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/1r-entry.jpg\" alt=\"1R entry - a trading system graph\" width=\"900\" height=\"377\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/1r-entry.jpg 900w, https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/1r-entry-768x322.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Cool. But look at all that sweet profit you missed out on!<\/p>\n<p>The upside of having a 1R profit target is that you will win often.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Some trading methods have as much as an 80%-90% win rate on a 1R profit target.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The downside is that your account balance can go up and down a lot because you don't take advantage of the big runs, so the losses can have a bigger effect on your account.<\/p>\n<p>What happens if the\u00a010%-20% of your losses come all at once?<\/p>\n<p>That can hurt and really mess with your head.<\/p>\n<p><strong>So a good balance of a good winning percentage and the occasional multi-R trade is ideal.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8230;which brings us to the next\u00a0entry technique.<\/p>\n<h3>Scenario #2: 2 Positions (50\/50), 2 Profit Targets<\/h3>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11655\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2targets.jpg\" alt=\"Two profit targets\" width=\"900\" height=\"377\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2targets.jpg 900w, https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2targets-768x322.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Now, if we had two profit targets, risking 1% on each (or 70 nano lots), that might help us catch more profit. In this case, it would have worked, and we would have made the following:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Position #1: 143 pips X 70\u00a0nano lots X $0.001\/nano lot\/pip = $10<\/li>\n<li>Position #2: 246 pips X 70\u00a0nano lots X $0.001\/nano lot\/pip = $17.22<\/li>\n<li><strong>Grand total: $27.22 or a 2.72% gain<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>So when we break it down, we only make an extra 0.72% over the 1 position entry strategy, in an ideal situation.<\/p>\n<p>Not bad, but let's also consider <em>the more likely scenario<\/em>, where the second position gets stopped out at breakeven.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Remember, when you go for 2R, you lower your probability for success by a lot. Sometimes it can drop to 30% or less, depending on the system.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Position #1 (hits profit target): 143 pips X 70\u00a0nano lots X $0.001\/nano lot\/pip = $10<\/li>\n<li>Position #2 (move stop to breakeven when first target is hit, then gets stopped out): $0<\/li>\n<li><strong>Grand total: $10 or a 1% gain<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>So your net reward\/risk ratio is actually 0.5R. This is not completely terrible,\u00a0but you are fighting an uphill battle.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Your win rate (especially on the second position) will have to be high to overcome a less than 1R outcome on some trades.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Side note:<\/strong> I was doing this for years, wondering why I couldn't get ahead. This wasn't the only reason obviously, but it was one of the big ones.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>We can do better&#8230;<\/p>\n<h3>Scenario #3: 2 positions (50\/50),\u00a01 profit target, 1 trailing stop<\/h3>\n<p>Now here's where things start to get interesting.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What if we could lock in more than 2R when price really starts to rip?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8230;like in this GBPAUD example.<\/p>\n<p>So, in this scenario, we will move the stop to breakeven when price hits the first profit target. Then we will trail the stop by 1R.<\/p>\n<p>Here's how the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/place-stop-loss-order\/\">stop loss<\/a> on the <strong>second position<\/strong> will look:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Entry: -1R<\/li>\n<li>Price hits first profit target: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/move-stoploss-breakeven\/\" data-wpil-monitor-id=\"129\">move stop to breakeven<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Price hits 2R: move stop to +1R<\/li>\n<li>Price hits 3R: move stop to +2R<\/li>\n<li>And so on&#8230;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>I've marked off the 1R intervals on the chart, so it looks like this.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11657\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/5r-trade.jpg\" alt=\"A 5R trade example\" width=\"900\" height=\"377\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/5r-trade.jpg 900w, https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/5r-trade-768x322.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>It was really close, but you might not\u00a0have moved your stop when price hit 6R. But let's just say you did.<\/p>\n<p><strong>In that case, the second position would\u00a0have captured 5R. So in this scenario, we get the following results:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Position #1: 143 pips X 70\u00a0nano lots X $0.001\/nano lot\/pip = $10<\/li>\n<li>Position #2: 715 pips X 70\u00a0nano lots X $0.001\/nano lot\/pip = $50<\/li>\n<li><strong>Grand total: $60 or a 6% gain<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Now we're talking! A 3X of the initial risk of 2%.<\/p>\n<p><strong>OK, before we go out and buy a Ferrari, let's take a look at the <em>more probable\u00a0scenario<\/em> again:\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Position #1 (hits profit target): 143 pips X 70\u00a0nano lots X $0.001\/nano lot\/pip = $10<\/li>\n<li>Position #2 (move stop to breakeven when first target is hit, then gets stopped out): $0<\/li>\n<li><strong>Grand total: $10 or a 1% gain<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Still blows, right?!<\/p>\n<p>It's much better because we have given ourselves the potential to capture big moves, but we are still fighting uphill if the second position never hits.<\/p>\n<p><strong>We will still have to have 3 winning trades for every loss (75% win rate or better), or have a net 3R win on each position, in order to be net profitable.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8230;and it will really depends on how many big runs you have a year.<\/p>\n<p>Not impossible, but\u00a0we can probably do better.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Here's where 80\/20 comes in&#8230;<\/strong><\/p>\n<h3>Scenario #4: 2 positions (80\/20),\u00a01 profit target, 1 trailing stop<\/h3>\n<p><em>This\u00a0is where we find balance.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>In this scenario, let's do the same thing as in scenario #3, but tweak the entry parameters, so you put 80% of your risk into the first position and 20% in the second.<\/p>\n<p><strong>This is what the calculation looks like: \u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Position 1: 140 nano lots X 0.8 = 112 nano lots<\/li>\n<li>Position 2: 140 nano lots X 0.2 = 28 nano lots<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>So the results in the ideal 5R scenario above are:\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Position #1: 143 pips X 112\u00a0nano lots X $0.001\/nano lot\/pip = $16<\/li>\n<li>Position #2: 715 pips X 28\u00a0nano lots X $0.001\/nano lot\/pip = $20<\/li>\n<li><strong>Grand total: $36 or a 3.6% gain<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Which is less than in scenario #3.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Buuuut&#8230;.you make more when only the first profit target is hit:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Position #1: 143 pips X 112\u00a0nano lots X $0.001\/nano lot\/pip = $16<\/li>\n<li>Position #2: 0\u00a0pips X 28\u00a0nano lots X $0.001\/nano lot\/pip = $0<\/li>\n<li><strong>Grand total: $16 or a 1.6% gain<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Remember, we aren't looking at just the total potential return per trade here, we are also looking at the <strong>probability of a positive return<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>To get an idea of how this works, let's say that you apply this advantage over 1,000 trades and you have an 80% chance of hitting the 1R profit target.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Using Scenario #4:\n<ul>\n<li>You will have 800 winning trades (1,000 X 0.8) and 200 losing trades.<\/li>\n<li>If you multiply that by 1.6% per trade, you will end up with a 1,280% gain, not including compounding.<\/li>\n<li>Then you will have 200 losing trades, multiplied by 2% risk, or a 400% loss .<\/li>\n<li><strong>This gives you a net gain of 880%, not including compounding.\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Using Scenario #3:\n<ul>\n<li>You will also have 800 winning trades and 200 losing trades.<\/li>\n<li>But at only 1% per trade, you will have a 800% gain, not including compounding.<\/li>\n<li>You will still have the same 400% loss.<\/li>\n<li><strong>The net gain is 400%, not including compounding.\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>Again, these are very simplified numbers, but they illustrate the point that a tiny tweak in the entry can result in a huge gain in your final results. <\/b><\/p>\n<p>Same system, same risk, different position sizing.<\/p>\n<p>Think about how much more money that is over your trading\u00a0career!<\/p>\n<p><em>But, this isn't a magic bullet. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Here's what else you need to know&#8230;<\/p>\n<h2>When to Use the 80\/20 Rule (The Catch)<\/h2>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11812\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/runner.jpg\" alt=\"Runner\" width=\"900\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/runner.jpg 900w, https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/runner-768x512.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Before you rush out and use this, consider this&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>I'm not saying that everyone should do this. <strong>Like anything else in trading, this only makes sense in the context of certain trading styles.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<h3>Situations Where This Could\u00a0Help You<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li>You have a high winning percentage on your\u00a0first profit target<\/li>\n<li>You trade a <strong>swing trading<\/strong>\u00a0or position trading method<\/li>\n<li>You have multiple profit targets<\/li>\n<li>You have access to trading nano lots<\/li>\n<li>Your current second or third profit target is fixed and is not taking advantage of big runs<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3>Situations to Avoid<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li>Your first profit target has a lot probability of success<\/li>\n<li>You are a daytrader or scalper. Management\u00a0of two positions might be a bitch.<\/li>\n<li>You don't have a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/tag\/fx-backtesting\/\">tested<\/a> method with positive expectancy<\/li>\n<li>You can't trade nano lots<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Conclusion<\/h2>\n<p>In the end, the entry method you use is totally up to you. It will have to fit with your personality and there is no way that I can tell you what is right or wrong for you.<\/p>\n<p>It is vital that you <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/category\/backtesting\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">backtest<\/a> this for yourself and see what works best for you.<\/p>\n<p>But as you can see, using the 80\/20 entry can improve your return on a trading method that already works. <strong>In our example, it actually doubled the return.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Did you know that your entry strategy can greatly improve your trading return? 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