{"id":16480,"date":"2019-02-22T16:32:01","date_gmt":"2019-02-23T00:32:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/?p=16480"},"modified":"2024-03-31T18:49:46","modified_gmt":"2024-04-01T01:49:46","slug":"mfe-vs-maxp","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/mfe-vs-maxp\/","title":{"rendered":"MaxR vs MFE: Why You Need Both"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>There are a lot of trading journals out there that give you MFE, or maximum favorable excursion.<\/p>\n<p>I've written about both MFE and MAE (maximum adverse excursion) in detail <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/mfe-and-mae-deconstructed-and-how-they-can-help-your-trading\/\">here<\/a>, if you aren't familiar with the terms.<\/p>\n<p>But there's one trading metric that I haven't seen in any trading journal.<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;and it has helped me <em>a lot<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>I call it <strong>MaxR<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>It's part of my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/advanced-r-multiple-tracking\/\">Advanced Trading Metrics Tracking<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>So in this post, I'll go over why you might want to track MaxR and how it can be used with MFE, to help you improve your trading edge.<\/p>\n<h2>Definition of MFE<\/h2>\n<blockquote><p>The maximum amount of money you could have made, while the trade was open.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>MFE is very useful because it can help you see if you are doing any of the following:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Letting your trades run longer than they should<\/li>\n<li>Not locking in profits quickly enough<\/li>\n<li>Setting your profit targets too far away<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>For example, this trade was stopped out shortly after entry. But the trade was in profit for some time before getting stopped out.<\/p>\n<p>The MFE is marked on the chart below.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16488\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/mfe-example.png\" alt=\"Example of maximum favorable excursion\" width=\"2029\" height=\"1142\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/mfe-example.png 2029w, https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/mfe-example-768x432.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2029px) 100vw, 2029px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>If this happens to you a lot, then you should consider setting your profit target a little closer to your entry to capture more profits.<\/p>\n<p>To see MFE in your trading journal, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/best-trading-journals\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">check out these trading journal solutions<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>But MFE only measures your missed profit, <strong>while your trade was open<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>That's very useful, but it's only half of the story.<\/p>\n<p>This is why you also need MaxR&#8230;<\/p>\n<h2>Definition of MaxR<\/h2>\n<blockquote><p>The maximum amount you could have made on a trade, during <em>and<\/em> after your trade, if you <strong>did not move your stop loss<\/strong>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><em>Essentially, you want to understand what the ideal scenario would have been on your trade, if you just left the trade alone.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>For example, you may have initially been happy with the result of the trade below because it hit your take profit quickly.<\/p>\n<p>But upon later review, you notice that you missed out on a ton of profit.<\/p>\n<p>This was the MaxR on the trade. The &#8220;R&#8221; stands for <strong>Multiple of Risk<\/strong> or the result of the trade, relative to your stop loss.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16487\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/max-r.png\" alt=\"Max R trade example\" width=\"2029\" height=\"1142\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/max-r.png 2029w, https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/max-r-768x432.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2029px) 100vw, 2029px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The MFE on this trade would have been 100% because it hit the profit target. MFE is a good stat to track, but it doesn't tell you how much profit you are missing out on <em>after<\/em> you close the trade.<\/p>\n<p>MaxR gives you this vital information. In this example the missed profits were quite significant.<\/p>\n<p>Now there's a reason why most trading journal platforms don't include this information.<\/p>\n<p><em>MaxR can be very subjective, so it's hard to calculate automatically.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>MFE and MAE are much easier to calculate.<\/p>\n<p>For example, would you call exit A your MaxR level, or is exit B the correct MaxR level?<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16486\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/exits.png\" alt=\"Max R exit examples\" width=\"2029\" height=\"1142\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/exits.png 2029w, https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/exits-768x432.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2029px) 100vw, 2029px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Well, that really depends on your trading strategy and personality. If you are a shorter term trader, then exit A would be used to determine your MaxR. Longer term traders might opt to use exit B.<\/p>\n<p>Also consider how much of a retracement you are willing to endure. Would you bail on a trade if price <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/move-stoploss-breakeven\/\"  data-wpil-monitor-id=\"132\">moved back to breakeven<\/a>?<\/p>\n<p>I think most people would. So in that case, you would measure your MaxR before price moved back to breakeven.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The bottom line is to ask yourself if you would realistically leave a trade open for that long.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>If yes, then that is your MaxR level.<\/p>\n<p>Here's a video explanation of MaxR&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Hb8-c4iG1B4\" width=\"840\" height=\"450\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><span data-mce-type=\"bookmark\" style=\"display: inline-block; width: 0px; overflow: hidden; line-height: 0;\" class=\"mce_SELRES_start\">?<\/span><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h2>How MaxR Has Helped Me<\/h2>\n<p>There is a trading strategy that I use, which I abbreviate CPD.<\/p>\n<p>But it doesn't matter what the actual strategy is. The point is that I was tracking MaxR in my trading journal and I noticed that over 90% of my winning trades had a MaxR of more than 2P.<\/p>\n<p>Here's an example entry from my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/evernote-forex-trading-journal\/\">Evernote<\/a> trading journal. The first number at the end of the line is my actual P result and second number is my MaxR.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16481\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/example.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"510\" height=\"39\" \/><\/p>\n<p>So I started targeting at least 2P on every trade and it has worked out well ever since. With this strategy, there's rarely a time when I get less than 2P on a trade. Price usually either goes to at least 2P, or I get stopped out.<\/p>\n<p>In the example above, I would have gained an extra 53.8% profit on the trade, by moving my take profit to 2P.<\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8230;but I probably wouldn't have known to do this if I didn't track my MaxR.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<h2>The Dark Side of Tracking MaxR and MFE<\/h2>\n<p>The benefits of tracking MaxR and MFE are great, but there is also a potential downside.<\/p>\n<p>There can be a tendency to continually adjust your exit points to try and optimize your MaxR and <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.myfxbook.com\/2013\/03\/17\/new-charts-mae-mfe\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">MFE<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><em>Precise optimization sounds like a great idea, but it's usually a recipe for disaster.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Don't fall down that rabbit hole.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16490\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/hole.jpg\" alt=\"Rabbit hole\" width=\"1200\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/hole.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/hole-768x384.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Remember that trading is not black and white. It's shades of gray.<\/p>\n<p>To avoid over-optimization, only review these stats after every 50 trades. Is there a clear trend, or are the results all over the place?<\/p>\n<p>If there isn't a clear benefit to changing your trading strategy, then don't. Keep tracking though, you may need more trades to see a pattern.<\/p>\n<p><em>Check back after another 50 trades.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>When in doubt, don't change your strategy.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>These metrics are helpful, but they don't always yield actionable results.<\/p>\n<h2>When to Track MaxR?<\/h2>\n<p>To get the full benefit of MaxR, I believe that you should track it on every trade you take.<\/p>\n<p>If aren't familiar with the types of trades that I recommend tracking, they are:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Live trades<\/li>\n<li>Demo trades<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/forex-backtesting-guide\/\">Backtesting trades<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/journal-missed-trades\/\">Missed trades<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>The more data points you have, the better your chances of spotting a way to improve your results.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<h2>Conclusion<\/h2>\n<p>If you consistently see that your MFE and MaxR are showing a good profit, but you fail to capitalize on a majority of these opportunities, then it might be time to rethink your exit strategy. Measure your MaxR on every trade and look for patterns in the data.<\/p>\n<p>Also consider splitting up your trades <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingheroes.com\/80-20-rule-trading\/\">into two parts<\/a>. You can target your smallest MaxR number to lock in some profits on the first position. Then target a bigger multiple of risk to maximize your gains on the second position.<\/p>\n<p>These simple stats can help you turn a breakeven strategy into a profitable one, and make an already profitable strategy even more profitable.<\/p>\n<p>Track your MaxR and find out if you're leaving money on the table.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>You probably know about MFE. But do you also track MaxR? 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